Steve Herman, retired member of the faculty at The Evergreen State College (Olympia, WA), has since the 1970s taken students to the refuge to band birds and to otherwise study the region's natural environment. As such, Herman developed a first-hand understanding of the many ways that cattle had damaged that environment.

In this video, Herman offers amusing anecdotes from his experiences over the several years leading up to when ranching was banned at the refuge in the early 1990s.

This video is an excerpt from Steve Herman's interview in Western Turf Wars: The Politics of Public Lands Ranching.